{"id":131,"date":"2019-01-14T17:00:13","date_gmt":"2019-01-14T16:00:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.nothing2hide.org\/en\/2019\/01\/14\/to-those-who-think-that-working-with-google-and-facebook-is-absolutely-fine\/"},"modified":"2019-01-14T17:00:13","modified_gmt":"2019-01-14T16:00:13","slug":"to-those-who-think-that-working-with-google-and-facebook-is-absolutely-fine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nothing2hide.org\/en\/2019\/01\/14\/to-those-who-think-that-working-with-google-and-facebook-is-absolutely-fine\/","title":{"rendered":"To those who think that working with Google and Facebook is absolutely fine"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Many digital freedom organisations, mainly from the US (Access, FSF, Mozilla, GNOME, etc.), are funded by or collaborating with Google or Facebook. Those two private companies make their living by selling their user personal data with complete disregard for their privacy.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Those companies are neither good for Internet nor for democracy. Just remember the Cambridge Analytica scandal and the fact that Facebook may have influenced the US election and the UK decision to leave Europe. In his ironical blog post, <a href=\"https:\/\/ar.al\/2019\/01\/11\/i-was-wrong-about-google-and-facebook-theres-nothing-wrong-with-them-so-say-we-all\/\">I was wrong about Google and Facebook: there\u2019s nothing wrong with them (so say we all)<\/a>, the activist and developer Aral Balkan highlights the contradictions and hypocrisy of many organisations defending digital freedom and getting at the same time funds from those two toxic companies. This blog post reflects a lot what we believe in at Nothing2Hide. This is why we decided to republish Aral\u2019s post, in English and in French.<\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\" \/>\n<h1 id=\"i-was-wrong-about-google-and-facebook-theres-nothing-wrong-with-them-so-say-we-all\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ar.al\/2019\/01\/11\/i-was-wrong-about-google-and-facebook-theres-nothing-wrong-with-them-so-say-we-all\/\">I was wrong about Google and Facebook: there\u2019s nothing wrong with them (so say we all)<\/a><\/h1>\n<p>It\u2019s always difficult admitting you\u2019re wrong. But sometimes, it\u2019s exactly what you have to do in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. So, today, I admit that I was wrong about Google, Facebook, and <a href=\"https:\/\/ar.al\/2018\/12\/10\/surveillance-capitalism-at-the-bbc\/\">surveillance capitalism<\/a> in general being toxic for our human rights and democracy.<\/p>\n<p>You see, it simply cannot be true given how they are endorsed by some of the most well-respected groups and organisations in the world. All the evidence points to Google and Facebook being good actors who are not a threats to our privacy.<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"fsf-and-the-software-freedom-conservancy-fsf-and-the-software-freedom-conservancy\">FSF and The Software Freedom Conservancy {#fsf-and-the-software-freedom-conservancy}<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><\/figure>\n<\/h2>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/ar.al\/2019\/01\/11\/i-was-wrong-about-google-and-facebook-theres-nothing-wrong-with-them-so-say-we-all\/google-microsoft-and-fsf-sponsor-copyleftconf.jpeg\" alt=\"The sponsors page of CopyLeftConf: Google, Microsoft, and FSF are among the sponsors\" \/><figcaption> CopyLeftConf 2019 is brought to you by Google, Microsoft, and the FSF <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.fsf.org\/\">The FSF<\/a> is the world\u2019s foremost defender of software freedom. <a href=\"https:\/\/sfconservancy.org\/\">The Software Freedom Conservancy<\/a> \u201cis a not-for-profit charity that helps promote, improve, develop, and defend Free, Libre, and Open Source Software (FLOSS) projects.\u201d This month, The Software Freedom Conversancy is organising <a href=\"https:\/\/2019.copyleftconf.org\/\">CopyLeft Conference<\/a> sponsored by Google, Microsoft, and the FSF.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, Google is such a force for good in the world that they are allowed to sponsor a CopyLeft conference <a href=\"https:\/\/opensource.google.com\/docs\/using\/agpl-policy\/\">even though they ban CopyLeft licenses at their company<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>If even the FSF doesn\u2019t have a problem with having their logo right next to Google and Microsoft\u2019s, who am I to criticise these corporations?<\/p>\n<p>How can I blame any policymaker who points to that and says \u201cAral, you\u2019re being a bit melodramatic about these companies, aren\u2019t you?\u201d They\u2019re right. I must be. What am I trying to do? Out-Stallman Stallman? Madness!<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"mozilla-mozilla\">Mozilla {#mozilla}<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><\/figure>\n<\/h2>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/ar.al\/2019\/01\/11\/i-was-wrong-about-google-and-facebook-theres-nothing-wrong-with-them-so-say-we-all\/firefox-default-search-engine.jpeg\" alt=\"Screenshot of Firefox showing the default search engine (Google)\" \/><figcaption> Firefox defends your privacy. That\u2019s why its default search engine is Google. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/mozilla.org\/\">Mozilla<\/a> is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.mozilla.org\/en-US\/foundation\/moco\/\">a not-for-profit for-profit<\/a> organisation working to ensure \u201can Internet that truly puts people first, where individuals can shape their own experience and are empowered, safe and independent.\u201d Mozilla makes Firefox, a browser that is <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/internetcitizen\/2018\/08\/13\/firefox-privacy-philosophy\/\">Fast. Private. Fearless.<\/a> That\u2019s why its default search engine is Google.<\/p>\n<p>Mozilla <a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.ar.al\/@aral\/101069104134924159\">doesn\u2019t have a problem with Google<\/a>, frequently partners with them, and <a href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/mozilla\/addons-frontend\/issues\/1107#issuecomment-314754318\">even uses Google Analytics<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>If such an upstanding and ethical not-for-profit for-profit that cares so deeply about protecting our privacy has no problem with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnet.com\/news\/google-firefox-search-deal-gives-mozilla-more-money-to-push-privacy\/\">having Google as its primary search engine<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.zdnet.com\/article\/firefox-hits-the-jackpot-with-almost-billion-dollar-google-deal\/\">taking hundreds of millions of dollars from them<\/a>, who am I to criticise Google on privacy?<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"apple-apple\">Apple {#apple}<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><\/figure>\n<\/h2>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/ar.al\/2019\/01\/11\/i-was-wrong-about-google-and-facebook-theres-nothing-wrong-with-them-so-say-we-all\/apple-privacy-ad-ces-2019.jpeg\" alt=\"Apple ad on side of building during CES 2019. Reads: \u2018What happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone.\u2019\" \/><figcaption> Apple\u2019s devices protect your privacy. Google is the primary search engine on their browser. Google must also protect your privacy. (Photo: Chris Velazco, Engadget) <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/2018.ar.al\/notes\/apple-vs-google-on-privacy-a-tale-of-absolute-competitive-advantage\/\">Apple\u2019s business model is to sell products to people<\/a>. They are proud that this separates them from <a href=\"https:\/\/2018.ar.al\/notes\/the-nature-of-the-self-in-the-digital-age\/\">companies that sell people to people<\/a>. As <a href=\"https:\/\/www.engadget.com\/2019\/01\/05\/apple-ces-2019-privacy-advertising\/\">their building-tall ad at CES<\/a> says, \u201cWhat happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>As they state <a href=\"https:\/\/apple.com\/privacy\">on their privacy page<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p>    At Apple, we believe privacy is a fundamental human right \u2026 Every Apple product is designed from the ground up to protect that information. And to empower you to choose what you share and with whom.  <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Apple\u2019s CEO, Tim Cook, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.recode.net\/2018\/4\/6\/17197754\/watch-apple-ceo-tim-cook-msnbc\">has personally endorsed this commitment to privacy<\/a> and this is why Apple has Google as the default search engine for their browser and why <a href=\"https:\/\/www.investopedia.com\/news\/google-spend-12-billion-remain-apple-safaris-2019-default-search-engine-gs\/\">they welcome the 12 billion dollars<\/a> of revenue that this deal brings in. Because Google is just like Apple and designs their services from the ground up to protect your privacy. Why else would Apple allow them on their phones and jeopardise your privacy?<\/p>\n<p>If Tim Cook is happy having Google on the iPhone then surely there must be something wrong with me.<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"gnome-gnome\">GNOME {#gnome}<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><\/figure>\n<\/h2>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/ar.al\/2019\/01\/11\/i-was-wrong-about-google-and-facebook-theres-nothing-wrong-with-them-so-say-we-all\/geary-gmail-vs-other-email-providers.jpeg\" alt=\"Screenshot showing the setup of Gmail (very simple) vs other email providers apart from Yahoo and Outlook.com (twice the height, multiple times the complexity)\" \/><figcaption> GNOME makes it easy to use Gmail (by advisory board member Google). If you use FastMail, however, you have to do some work. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p>\n<p>If Apple is too commercial an example for you, then there\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gnome.org\/about\/\">GNOME<\/a>, led by the non-profit GNOME foundation. They make a popular and usable display environment for UNIX-like systems. It\u2019s what I use on <a href=\"https:\/\/ar.al\/2018\/07\/26\/popos-18.04-the-state-of-the-art-in-linux-on-desktop\/\">my daily driver<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>GNOME doesn\u2019t see a problem with Google. In fact, <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.gnome.org\/AdvisoryBoard\">Google is on their advisory board<\/a> and apps on GNOME have first-class support for Google\u2019s services.<\/p>\n<p>Geary, the email application, for example, has Gmail listed in first place in the account setup dropdown and makes it trivial to get started with a simple interface that\u2019s far easier to use than setting up a generic IMAP provider.<\/p>\n<p>If Gmail was bad for your privacy \u2013 if, for example, Google read all your messages and used it to profile you (I know, there I go with the nutty conspiracy theories again) \u2013 then GNOME foundation would not promote it in their software.<\/p>\n<p>If <a href=\"https:\/\/social.libre.fi\/objects\/14464dd3-a085-4ef1-af11-bb9353086e8c\">they were forced to support Gmail just because it\u2019s popular<\/a> but absolutely hated doing so, they would put up a warning message to protect you. Something like \u201cWhen you use Gmail, Google, Inc. will use the contents of your messages to profile you. Please only proceed if you understand the dangers.\u201d But they don\u2019t do that. On the contrary, they put it first and make it as easy as possible to set up and use so Gmail must be fine.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, I think we have to start asking questions about some of these other email providers who say they don\u2019t spy on you. Like <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fastmail.com\/\">FastMail<\/a>, the service I use.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><\/figure>\n<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/ar.al\/2019\/01\/11\/i-was-wrong-about-google-and-facebook-theres-nothing-wrong-with-them-so-say-we-all\/fastmail-as-a-first-class-citizen-in-geary.jpeg\" alt=\"My fork of Geary has FastMail as a first-class citizen\" \/><figcaption> My fork of Geary has FastMail as a first-class citizen. This is because I must be a communist. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p>\n<p>When <a href=\"https:\/\/gitlab.gnome.org\/GNOME\/geary\/merge_requests\/26\">I added support for FastMail to Geary<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/gitlab.gnome.org\/GNOME\/geary\/merge_requests\/26#note_281362\">my changes were rejected<\/a>. If FastMail was an ethical provider of email, <a href=\"https:\/\/gitlab.gnome.org\/aral\/geary\/issues\/1\">I\u2019m sure that this would not have been the case<\/a>. No doubt the team would have fallen over themselves to promote an ethical email service over an unethical one that reads people\u2019s emails and profiles them.<\/p>\n<p>So now I\u2019m worried about what GNOME knows about FastMail that I don\u2019t. What are those sneaky FastMail people up to? Maybe we should all move to Gmail. It\u2019s what GNOME recommends by default, after all.<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"nordic-privacy-arena-nordic-privacy-arena\">Nordic Privacy Arena {#nordic-privacy-arena}<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><\/figure>\n<\/h2>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/ar.al\/2019\/01\/11\/i-was-wrong-about-google-and-facebook-theres-nothing-wrong-with-them-so-say-we-all\/nordic-privacy-arena-facebook-talk.jpeg\" alt=\"A slide from the Facebook keynote at Nordic Privacy Arena. It reads: \u2018making an ad on Facebook\u2019\" \/><figcaption> We learned how to make Facebook ads at the Facebook keynote at the Nordic Privacy Arena. I was not clever enough to appreciate it. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/dpforum.se\/nordic-privacy-arena\/\">The Nordic Privacy Arena<\/a> is a yearly gathering of <a href=\"https:\/\/ec.europa.eu\/info\/departments\/data-protection-officer_en\">data protection officers<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/i\/web\/status\/1072171225865248771\">privacy professionals<\/a>. At this year\u2019s event, Facebook had a keynote and I was told by the organisers to <a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.ar.al\/@aral\/101058108952903227\">be nice to Facebook and Google<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.ar.al\/@aral\/101058753005011136\">keep my points to my own talk<\/a> and not challenge the speaker <a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.ar.al\/@aral\/101058298383358746\">with questions<\/a> after <a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.ar.al\/@aral\/101058170623477123\">his talk<\/a> like I did at Mozilla\u2019s session.<\/p>\n<p>They were so right! What was I thinking? Thankfully, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=2oTgp2deLrg\">they cut my question from the video of Mozilla\u2019s talk<\/a> so you don\u2019t have to be subjected to my radical conspiracy theory that if you\u2019re getting hundreds of millions of dollars from a corporation you perhaps might not be working against its interests.<\/p>\n<p>I apologise profusely for being such a silly little pain in the ass. After all, if the data protection officers and privacy professionals organising and attending this event see no problem with Facebook or Google, who am I to disagree? These people are tasked with protecting our privacy. Surely, they have our best interests at heart and understand the basics of their job well enough to know exactly what they\u2019re doing when they <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DPforumSwe\/status\/1062358171165978624\">invite Google to keynote their next event<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Furthermore, the Facebook keynote was by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/nicolas-de-bouville-57486a4a\">Nicolas de Bouville<\/a> whose previous job was at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnil.fr\/en\/home\">the French data protection office<\/a> (CNIL), famous for its magnificient revolving doors. So if Nicolas chose to go work at Facebook after CNIL, surely Facebook can\u2019t be that bad.<\/p>\n<p>And it\u2019s not just Nordic Privacy Arena. RightsCon by AccessNow <a href=\"https:\/\/2018.ar.al\/notes\/rightscon-or-a-right-con\/\">has no problem with Google or Facebook<\/a>. As they state on their <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rightscon.org\/\">web<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rightscon.org\/sponsors\/\">site<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p>    RightsCon is the world\u2019s leading conference on human rights in the digital age, brought to you by Access Now \u2026 RightsCon offers organizations and businesses the perfect opportunity to generate exposure, goodwill, and growth. So when you consider whether to invest in RightsCon, remember sponsorship can positively impact your organization and business by demonstrating leadership, building your brand, engaging your community, and more.  <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Neither does <a href=\"https:\/\/motherboard.vice.com\/en_us\/article\/aekw4b\/people-are-mad-that-facebook-and-google-sponsored-a-privacy-event\">Amsterdam Privacy Week<\/a>. Nor <a href=\"https:\/\/2018.ar.al\/notes\/why-im-not-speaking-at-cpdp\">CPDP<\/a>. Nor <a href=\"https:\/\/fosdem.org\/2019\/about\/sponsors\/\">FOSDEM<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>No, it\u2019s clear. It must be me. I must just be deluded. This is the only conclusion that makes sense given the avalanche of evidence.<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"war-is-peace-freedom-is-slavery-surveillance-is-privacy\">War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Surveillance is Privacy<\/h2>\n<p>So, in light of the overwhelming support for surveillance capitalism by generally well-respected organisations that say they work to protect our human rights, privacy, and democracy, I have decided that I must be the one who\u2019s wrong.<\/p>\n<p>If Google, Facebook, etc., were even half as bad <a href=\"https:\/\/2018.ar.al\/notes\/we-didnt-lose-control-it-was-stolen\/\">as I make them out to be<\/a>, these organisations would not be partnering with or endorsing them.<\/p>\n<p>I just want to apologise for being such a \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/2018.ar.al\/notes\/a-nancy-writes-back-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-digital-imperialism\/\">Negative Nancy<\/a>\u201d and take this opportunity to thank the FSF, The Free Software Conservancy, Mozilla, Apple, The Nordic Privacy Arena, AccessNow, RightsCon, Amsterdam Privacy Week, CPDP, and GNOME for showing me the error of my ways. I now know, thanks to their moral leadership on this issue, that it\u2019s perfectly fine for people working to protect human rights and democracy to take millions and billions from companies like Google and Facebook and to partner with them.<\/p>\n<p>I must admit, I feel a little silly. The last five years would have been so much easier if only I\u2019d understood this earlier.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s wishing you all a world full of freedom sponsored by Google, privacy sponsored by Facebook, and democracy sponsored by Palantir.<\/p>\n<p><strong>And, if for some wild reason that\u2019s <em>not<\/em> the world you want to live in, then maybe it\u2019s time for <em>some organisations<\/em> to take a fucking stand. Start calling surveillance capitalists \u201csurveillance capitalists.\u201d Say no to their money. And stop legitimising these bastards.<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Many digital freedom organisations, mainly from the US (Access, FSF, Mozilla, GNOME, etc.), are funded by or collaborating with Google or Facebook. 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